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ok im sorry but cmon.... hard was a rave at least thats what i saw. lightshows were all over fuckin ppl all over the floor drugged out... i mean i stilll had fun but i know hard doesnt want to be considered a rave... but... thats what the scene looked like to me

I just saw a bunch of replicas and a bunch of kids who didn't know what the hell was going on.

haa yea..

Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, it looked like that to me as well. I mean, there was kandi, there were light shows, and there were furry boots.

Whatever though, I was dancing all night.

yup my legss are sore lol

Mine too.

Hard was way too good

incredible

Rave is such a dirty four lettered word.

it was pretty dirty there lol i saw ppl basically having sex on the floor

HARD last night was intense!
yes...i would consider it a rave too...

@Josh
The crowd goes CRAZY for light up helmets... xD
judging from your videos...yours is going to be legit... i had a lit up Master Chief Helmet/mask... ^_^

@holliiieee

agreed. lol and not just in the back corners either...

how did people bring lights/kandi into hard?? were they being snuck in or what? and is the rumor about dogs at security true?

I have no idea how they snuck in lights

There weren't dogs last nite, but I got in pretty early

NOPE ppl got past security with full on kandi

I know, it was kinda annoying, actually. I mean, they were busy searching for other things, but I wish that they were more consistent with enforcing the rules. I mean, we have the same promoter and the same security company, why can't they just pick some rules and stick to it?

That being said, it IS a Halloween event and I think a lot of things got past as "Costumes." And I can't get angry at anyone for allowing costumes in, as long as they're safe.

i don't know about the lights but kandi and the furry boots were allowed. i met some people in line who had some and i told them they were gonna have to throw it away but i guess the joke was on me cause they totally let everyone through with those, they just had to take the furry boot covers off to be searched.

so tonight i'm DEFINITELY wearing kandi and I don't give a FUCK what anyone thinks ITS FUCKING HALLOWEEN AHHHHHHHHHH

i saw a k9 as I was leaving but none as i was entering that's all

Hard WAS a rave. After all these talks here of "HARD is not a rave", I really was expecting it to be a pure dance concert sort of thing.

All this attempts of a rave event not trying to be rave are humorous and laughable. If it's a rave, be one. No shame of trying to hide it. If you really want it to be a concert, host one in a hollywood club with cover charge and legit bars. Don't do it in a fking auditorium and outdoors.

anyway, I was floored last night ;) hate me, I don't care, I had fun, the music was stellar.

Call it a rave all you want , but i'm still going to laugh at your lame ass light fingers, cheap plastic beads you make in a preschool arts and craft class, and your pinata looking fur boots. you'll look back and think " what the fuck was I thinking wearing that stupid shit "

^ I_SNORT_COCAINE
you come out as one of those pessimistic, narrow-minded people who don't know how to let loose and have fun. Sure u don't like light shows, and rave scenes, but why would you look down on those who do? Do your own thing. Have fun and enjoy the music and let other people do their own things. As long as they have a good time, why does it matter to u?
and stfu

I SNORT COCAINE has the most epic posts ever. I've been hanging around these forums for a couple weeks and everything he says brings smiles to my face. I also agree with hello kitty, let people do what they want which means they can SAY what they want. STFU.

But my opinion on the topic...yea you could call it a rave. Security line took us at least an hour to get through... Staff was ehh.

^Fubar
No he's not hilarious. And yes he can say whatever the fuk he wants. and I can also say whatever the fuk I want. now stfu
HARD IS A RAVE. dumb motherfukers trying to make hard into a concert. Not gonna work. Think about how much money you would lose by turning this into a concert. LOTS. think about it hard. HARD

^ Nice pun. :p

^
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Ohhh I see what she did there.

But yes, if Hard wasn't a rave, then I don't what is.

Well according to some other posts I've read on this board real raves don't exist anymore.

Naw its not a rave it's an event. A rave hardly has any stage lights since they are mostly underground. Alot of peeps don't know how to differentiate from an EDM event to a rave.

Kandi, lights, and fur boots don't make it a rave. Just another event filed with dumbass sheeps who don't know how to be themselves so they follow the crowd and have no idea what a true rave is.

We all know Security never really cares to enforce the events rules. Which is rather sad but oh well. I did scream "I see a bunch of horses and sheeps."
when ever I saw kandi kids and furry boots. Felt like I was in a farm.

Raves don't really exist like stated above. Since EDM has commercialized (again) they have been turned into events. Thay's why I laugh when people call it raves, it just proves to me that people don't know jack about EDM and its history.

sorry for typos on phone.

Hello kitty U MAD? lol

@I_SNORT_COCAINE

You're such an ass how dare you!

hey guys lets all huddle together real tight! who wants a light show?

I do! I do! I will some one massage my scalp while I snort busts out some freaky light show?

good thing I have my pacifier and rave whistle! tooot toot

and a bandana to cover ur mouth and pacifire. Not to mention those colorful wanna be ray bands.

yeah its so funny how people don't know how to categorize things so they just slap "Rave" over every thing that has EDM music and lights. LMAO

Keep talking @I_SNORT_COCAINE, I support you! haha

all you ravers need to go read into you're shit more better. stop looking up "RAVE" on youtube and wikipedia(that information is not 100% acurrate).

I think it was @Sonik or @Josh but can you repost the interview with destructo talking about how the term "Rave" could possibly ruin HARD for LA.

Time for @HelloKitty to get more curious.

if the cat can read.

you guys are such haters. PLUR fo lyf3.

Pathetic... Basically people ignored the posted rules and brought the banned items in anyways... and now they want to say it "was a rave"...

Makes me sick... HARD will never be a rave. You people just dont follow the rules.

HARD is just a fucking PARTY. :)

@MescalKid

That pretty much sums it up lol.

Yeah, there were lights and kandy here and there, but believe me, this was ten times better than at HARD LA in April. THAT was a rave. I felt like a chaperone at a high school dance. Props to Gary and Co. for enforcing the 18+ limit and item restrictions. Sure, a few people will always get by, but overall, this was the best HARD crowd I've experienced. Hopefully as more events like this happen, more people will realize that it's possible to have a great dance party without ravers and their annoying rituals (after all, they've been pulling it off in Europe for over a decade, so why can't we?)

It's strange that the rules weren't more well enforced, because from what I heard at HARD Summer, they were pretty strict with taking away gloves (even after security check) and kandi.

I completely agree with you, @Nitsuj

I actually am a little upset. I love the rules and I am willing to follow them because it means a more enjoyable event for me. But they have to be consistent. It does no good to sometimes throw out people's kandi and sometimes let it in.

If the rule is no kandi, make everyone either throw it away or bring it back to their car before entrance. EVERY time at EVERY event.

Oh I Forgot Hello kitty, you are a complete fucking moron. What happened? you take to many pills fried out of your fucking mind staring at lazer pointers? wheres your PLUR? you should read what you said :

"HARD IS A RAVE. dumb motherfukers trying to make hard into a concert. Not gonna work. Think about how much money you would lose by turning this into a concert. LOTS. think about it hard. HARD"

What Business school did you goto? University of Inglewood career college. Fucking idiot. HARD IS a Concert.

GTFO of here and continue posting of plurlife forums. Come back once you finish your degree at a real business school.

@ocin24 that makes sense. It does.

We also respect that security has the unenviable task of getting people inside safely in as short a time frame as possible. From my observations, we had the most friendly and respectful party-goers I've ever seen. I state with much confidence we had no incidents (other than a group of attempted trespassers being arrested Saturday).

Rules are rules. When someone comes to your house you have the right to enforce those rules. It's your house. "Don't put your shoes on my couch."

Bottom line: Was it safe? And did you have fun?

I_SNORT_COCAINE

Hahaha U think u know me well enough to say all these shit? YOU are a moron!!!
I go to UCLA motherfucker. I'm getting my degree in Business-Econ and Accounting. Already got a job offer from big 4 so how about YOU STFU!?!?

I don't take too many pills either dumbfuck. I just know how to let loose and have fun. Work hard Play hard is my philosophy. Unlike someone here (I_SNORT_COCAINE )

@tom

Absolutely, I had an amazing time and I felt perfectly safe. I agree that the crowd was one of the most respectful I've seen. It was very frustrating, seeing these inconsistencies, although I guess it's all a matter of perspective. We probably wouldn't have the luxury of complaining about light gloves and Kandi if security didn't do it's job otherwise...

@HelloKitty

I think you need to take one of your precious PLUR pills and chill the fuck out. Do you understand the idea of an online handle? The name that someone chooses doesn't necessarily denote some sort of personal characteristic. For instance, I'm willing to bet that no matter how much you want to be, you are not a Japanese cartoon character. Also, for such an obvious prodigy at everything else in life, you sure don't understand how to use tags properly, do you?

Oh god... You guys really going to do this lmao.

Anyways, i disagree with you HelloKitty.. HARD is not a RAVE nor will it ever be a RAVE.

"I go to UCLA motherfucker"

Heh, i guess thats why they have such a thing as book smarts and street smarts.

But i am not sure how you come to the conclusion that HARD would make less money if it was marketed as a concert and not a RAVE? It would be like any other event... Depending on who the artists are is what makes the crowd and believe me there are plenty that dont have to go wearing "kandy"

I dont get why people think just becasue someone throws an event that has some sort of electronic music they automatically think its a "RAVE"... Coachella has electronic music... does that mean its a "RAVE"??

All musical and related events have stage effects... lights ect.. Are they all "RAVES"?

For the love of god... can you pepople stop calling everything to do with EDM a "RAVE"...

Learn to tell the difference or dont open your mouth.

@Will

I wish I had the power to close a thread, because I would have done it right after your post.

DONE. NO MORE ARGUMENTS.

@ocin24

Me too haha

@Tom

You know, to be honest, it wasn't suuuuuper safe. I got pushed around a few times! My friend got hit in the head with a water bottle! And I saw two people almost start a fight (I intervened).

Oh yeah, and some guy was passed out next to me. But an EMT came to help.

Anyway, @Hellokitty

Just because all you kandi kids are stepping into the HARD scene doesn't mean you get to dictate the shots of whatsup. That'd be like HARD kids going to an Insomniac event, like EDC and saying, "Oh this isn't a rave!" (technically, it isn't btw)

There are people on here who have gone to more HARD events than you have raves, rule number 1 about HARD partying: Listen to people who have more experience. They know their shit. I got into so many good artists (especiallllyy Fake Blood and Soulwax) from just listening to what my fellow, more experienced HARD goers say.

If you look at the ratio of people dancing to people sitting and thizzing out, then you'll see most people are dancing.

Therefore...HARD = Electro dance party.

@HelloKitty since I now know you go to UCLA I'm sure you can interpret an article very well.

Please read.

this is strait from HARD's Head Honcho.

http://chicago.timeout.com/articles/clubs/88089/gary-richards-hard-summer-festival

the answer is there.

Don't just read it, analyze it.

@KcNekro

She seems like shes fronting... or needs a lesson in how to debate.

UCLA must be lowering the bar hahaha.

Sigh, relax people. Can't we all have an educated and respectful discussion? Since we ar all eduated (to a certain extent) we don't need to resort to such poor word choice. Specially when we are graduates and undergraduates.

Haha UCLA lowering the bar. Terrible

but yeah I hope kitty reads that article

@josh

thank you! i totally agree. i didnt post this to get stupid remarks. just chilll out and relax. and josh is right "raves" these days arent real raves. ive been to underground stuff. but seriously who cares :/ honestly. YOU can make it an event or YOU can make it a rave. just dont disrespect the ppl around you. make it what u want to make it.

Whether you call it a rave or not, it's still disrespectful to look down on the so-called "ravers" (which, by the definition of most people here, seems to refer to a particular group of people who shuffle, give glove lightshows, and/or roll) just because they share a different style of enjoying the experience.

The fact is that whether you vigorously hopped up and down to the beats or infuriously shuffled through the stage or peacefully enjoyed the lightshows, there is a common denominator amongst everyone who attended this "event" (i guess this term is the most politically correct term that least offends anyone in this crowd), and that is that everyone loves EDM and have great respect for the DJ's who performed there. In today's society where music is dominated by auto-tunes and hiphop beats, surprisingly many people have little to no respect to the musical genre of EDM, and the fact that so many people united together for a common interest for a genre that is very oftentimes looked down upon is marvelous accomplishment itself that we all should be proud of.

So why make a big deal out of people wearing fur boots and kandis? I'm sorry, but people who go ballistic for it seem to be the cocky ones to think that they are above everyone to be telling people what to do and what not to do and what to wear and what not to wear. It just seems like you guys are pissed off at the ravers for not following way YOU guys were enjoying it. So are you guys saying that we, the "ravers", should instead turn into your sheep and follow whatever subjective standards you guys put to this event, just because you guys were "there first"? Please enlighten me, what is the RIGHT way to enjoy HARD then, if you guys are so disgruntled at the way we enjoy it?

I should have brought kandis and lights. sigh.

@makemeamember
I love u baby <3 :)

@makemeamember
nicelyy said (:

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@MakeMeAMember

"Ravers" are sheep

I see all these young kids even in middle schools now thinking that all electronic music is "rave"

and they just follow what everyone else is doing because the word "rave" is being blown up, and it sounds "cool"

There are less people with originality and more kids following everyone else.

i snort is definitely right about the future, looking back in retrospect for anyone who are a part of the vicks puddle parties and massages. I as well hope they grow up, look back, and think "while I did have fun I must of looked pretty stupid."

the problem with those kids? music CAN'T be their only high.

I like to consider hard dance parties. for myself, at least

@MakeMeAMember

You're wrong. Not everyone has a respect for EDM and the DJs playing.

I heard countless people saying, "Who's Fake Blood? I'm only coming for the BBR"

Which is fucking annoying. Because it's those people who sit down in the middle of the dancefloor during Diplo because they're rolling hard and they want a light.

It's those people who go to events to just get fucked up.

It's those people who go to events to get girls/guys.

It's those people who wear kandi and furry boots.

And it's those people who get these events shut down.

And sadly, there is a HIGH number of those people.

I'm fairly sure that most people here have, or at least are very familiar with it.

The point for me, personally, is not that I don't understand why the drug is fun, it's that I've chosen to distance myself from it because I have learned that life without wallowing in a pit of seratonin can be infinitely more enjoyable. I'd rather keep myself in real life and meet real people and make real decisions about what's really important.

Ugh I need to stop feeding this troll.

@Velvetikka

Completely agree. It's just disrespectful. To be honest, if some guy is dancing with light gloves, i really couldn't care less. People rolling is nothing new, go ahead and make yourself retarded if you want. But when I'm trying to get down to some Nero and you decide it's time for you, your girl and two other couples to all sit down in my dancing room and get light shows, it starts to piss me off. Go back in the dark corners and do that shit. You're not even going to remember the name Nero in the morning anyways.

Honestly though, what sucks is I see the E usage getting worse.

I mean, with that 5-htp shit or whatever you can roll and be chilling the next day.

:) now I can eat u alive.

@ocin24

Exactly!!!

It's like, I'm even fine with people trying to squeeze through to the front, at least they're trying to dance and listen to good music. It's really not a problem until people start sitting down and tripping over the people on the floor.

We're really too respectful. At any other show (hip hop, punk) those people would get STOMPED on.

Kandi kids should be thanking us for giving up space like that. It really IS a big deal.

@velvetikka

imma be honest.. anyone who thinks ecstasy is not addicting it is... ive been there and i finally quit after coming to hard realization that i wasnt the same person i used to be. it ruined me and most of all it ruined important relationships in my life :/ it can fuck you up and while it can be a good experience" it can turn bad... really bad. the music should be a good enough high and the ppl around you should make you enjoy yourself.. just warning all you new kandi kids... be careful ive been "raving" for a loonnnnngggg tiiime.... way before it got "massive"...

Oh I never said it wasn't addicting.

Yeah I've experienced that E shit too. And now "E" is not even at it's true chemical base.

People are cooking it with all kinds of nasty shit like meth, rat poison, crack, heroin and more shit like that. You kids think you know it all, I'm sure even back when I tried it there were impurities in them.

You guys are just burning holes in your brains and later your gonna realize it.
Just be safe. Seriously

@kcnekro

yea... dont mean to give my sob story but.. ruined me.. took me a while to get back to my normal self and prove to my bf that i could be the person i used to be... it sucked

It's all good @holliiieee,

been there, done that, bought the t-shirt

Agreed. Sitting down in the middle of the mosh pit can be an annoyance factor to those who just want to jump around and enjoy the beat. My post was directed at those who were bashing the ravers solely for wearing furry boots and kandis, though. I think it's unfair that a person is judged solely based on what he/she wears rather than what that person actually does.

Regarding your E experience, holliiiee, I'm sorry that happened to you, holliiee. I've heard lots of horror stories from people that got too much into the pill than necessary. But let's talk fact here. E is not physically addictive, that is, you won't be shaking or shuddering for more pills. Mentally, however, I do agree to certain extent. But then, I would compare its mental addictiveness to computer games. You will crave it. You had an amazing time while rolling, you want to experience it again, you crave it. It's natural, it's how your brain works. However, all it takes is self-control. You lack self-control, you will f*** up and it will influence your lifestyle, just like it is with computer games and narcs.

I dropped, yes, but I don't do it often. I don't get my supply from some random stranger in dark hoodie out in the middle of dark narrow alley in South Central, nor do I just pick up some strange looking pill from the ground and try just to "see what it is". I did my research, I know my limits and I know how to do it safely.

I might grow out of it just like the lot of you. I can already start to see myself losing fascination in it like the very first time I tried it. But until then, I plan to drop, only on very special occasions. I have had some wonderful memories with my girlfriend while rolling and it helped us connect a lot. Yes, I know sounds funny, you might say that it's the drug and not the true me, but what really matters i that we enjoyed it and we are not some rebellious dumbass teenage kids that are out to compete who can take the most pills at a time to prove how cool we are.

@makemeamember

i know what your saying.. but it turned in too only at events.. too every weekend.. and then it got to the point where the only time my boyfriend ever made me feel special is when we dropped. ugh its horrible... i was ashamed of myself.. i still am

Eeeek that's brutal.

Hard is not a rave. Raves are most totally not cool. Hard is a electro danse party.
Obv

Oh, and ecstasy kills people... dead. Stop being dumbasses. I don't know how to be any more clear than to just be straightforward and refer to you as dumbasses. If you do ecstasy, you're a dumbass, dumbass. & btw i am allowed to say this cause i used to be a dumbass. Now i'm awesome! :)

cool story bro

^^

haha

Can security please just be consistent next time? It's kind of annoying to be told I can't bring in lights/bracelets/etc and then seeing half of the line getting them in fine and half of the line throwing them away. Also, if you're going to try so hard to make HARD events "not a rave," you might want to, say, I don't know... Try a bit harder for a concert atmosphere? I've been "raving" for a long time, from massives like EDC to seeing Skream in a tiny smoke-filled warehouse in Bristol to small 50-person forest renegades, and honestly, I feel like HARD Haunted was WAY more of a rave than a concert. I came completely prepared for a concert on Day 1, and it took five minutes before I saw the beads and the lights and the shuffling, and as someone who went completely sober both days (drug days are long past me, but I do it once a year for TAO), the majority of the crowd was definitely rolling and definitely acting like it was a rave. I saw zero of these so-called "HARD Partiers" that you guys claim fill these events. I saw three drunk people total, and they were all total douchebags. I met a few other sober people like me, but mostly everyone had wide-eyes and smiles for miles.

continued...

Also, you guys who hate on Kandi-kids sitting down or being in your way or what-have-you haven't talked to one before, because I'm pretty sure if you said "Hey man, could you move? I'm trying to dance here" they would give you a big thumbs up and move away from you. Kandi-kids aren't universally retarded, High Schoolers are, and that's why we should all be jumping for joy that these events are all 18+ now. Also, it's pretty immature to stand on a high-horse and denote entire groups of people to be permanently incapacitated and stupid. I've been a "kandi raver" for a very long time (four years soon), and I graduated summa cum-laude with a chemistry degree from UC Berkeley and I'm interviewing for a job that pays more than most of you will be making, ever, so stop acting like you are better than everyone else. We're all just EDM-lovers that want to forget about all of the stupid bullshit in the real world like war/racism/poverty/etc for a night and dance like mad. Why can't we just get along? It's not hard.

Either way, this was my first HARD Event, it was awesome, one of my favorites of all time. Glad to have shared the dance floor with you all. I'll see you next time. Please keep security consistent next time. Also, not all beads are kandi. My friend wears a good-luck charm her great-grandmother gave her before she died (it had ornate glass beads on it) and a security guard made her throw it away. Honestly, fuck you, random security guard. She couldn't even enjoy herself and went back to the hotel crying at the end of the night. Thanks.

Right On @SnoozyFistpuncher !

@Onik

Exactly my point. This was my first HARD event, and as much as I had anticipated a non-rave style EDM event as claimed by the people here, as much as I had left my kandis and lights to experience a non-rave supposedly-a-concert type of experience, as I put my feetstep into the auditorium, honestly I was left hugely disappointed at how LITTLE the actual thing resembled anything remotely close to a concert. Sure, I saw significantly fewer glovers lightshowing, but overall, it was basically a very poorly designed miniature "rave" with booming electro music. Within 15 minutes I was offered a pill at $10 by some random kid, which I conveniently denied, the entire rear dominated by shufflers and glowstickers, and rolling kids floored in every bits of the corner receiving massage and lightshow.

It doesn't matter what the actual intent of the HARD was, it definitely seemed like a rave to me. Aside from the lack of trance (which I didn't mind one bit), I honestly could not distinguish it from other SoCal EDM events that you guys will refer to as a "rave". And if a small number of these "kandi ravers" doing their typical "rave stuff" have the ability to turn a non-rave event into just another SoCal rave event, then it is the HARD's fault for not being able to execute their program properly. They could've easily kicked all the glovers and drugged up people out instead of gathering them up in a small area to further encourage rolling and lightshows. Would people have liked it? No, but at least that way, there wouldn't be any lights and drugs, and things would have looked much more like a concert.

Also @everyone:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/31/alcohol-more-lethal-than-_n_776718.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/drugs/

I also highly recommend you check out the Lancet (esteemed medical journal, for those of you don't know) and their other studies on illicit and legal drugs. You'd be surprised what the safest four drugs are according to a panel of scientists and medical professionals (Hint: Alcohol, heroin, and cocaine are the top 3... and Marijuana is technically more harmful than LSD, Ecstacy, and shrooms. It's all about the quality of what you get. Please, please, please, PLEASE, invest in a testing kit, be safe, don't buy off of strangers, and know/trust your source).

That being said, I shall take my leave, because I know a bunch of people are going to come out and call me an idiot for whatever reason they feel like because I'm just a stupid raver, I guess.

This thread is getting ridiculous.

its clear to me that you people just want everything with electronic music to be a rave.

if NiN gets back together to play another concert I'm gonna go and ask everyone if its their first rave.

Nah, I've been to plenty of electronic shows that weren't a rave. They take place in bars, clubs, and I've even been to a pretty big concert that was entirely electronic and had a few thousand people. None of them were raves.

When the bass is turned way higher than it needs to be, the energy is way higher than normal, stacks of LCD screens with intense imagery cycling, with a majority of artists playing fast paced dance music/intense chillout music/funky music, songs that chant things like "RAVE IS KING" and "E E E E E E E E" and DJs making obscure references to everyone having big smiles... those tend to fall in the rave category. By the way, I personally experienced all of these things at HARD this weekend... So. Flying Lotus was really the only band that didn't really fit the bill, but he is an amazing electronic artist and played a fucking amazing and sick set so he gets all the props from me.

NiN is so PLUR
I'm telling you

you gotta believe me.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325282/Holborn-Halloween-rave-Riot-police-forced-retreat-600-youths-cause-chaos.html

Now this is what I consider a rave.

That would be great if it could happen in the USA nowadays, but the cops would just violently charge it and arrest a lot of people and issue multiple fines and there would be a national news story about how the youth of today are the worst people ever, etc etc, generation gap, whatever. Thanks for that link, that was a pretty fun read and the videos from it look intense.

Also, I'd check out the info page, and read it carefully. One of the lines in there is a pretty good contradiction to a lot of what has been said about Europe raves in some other threads, and I can attest to that from personal experience, too...

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Scumoween-the-Squat-Monsters-Ball/157527960937172?v=info

@KcNekro

Bahaha. I'll go with you. We can try to give people light shows and see how long it takes to get hit in the face.

Lol @ocin24, I'm gonna call Trent right now and tell him to get the band back together

for PLUR's Sake Trent! Come back!

@MakeMeAMember

Lets talk about being disrespectful. Bringing and sneaking in items that are not allowed to an event who clearly posted "Do not bring the following items..." that's being disrespectful not only to the event itself but to the party goers who wanted to experience something different than what you see at every other EDM event in Los Angeles. You don't realize how much is at stake. I'm not aware of any one being sent to the hospital or being injured (luckly) but if it did happen this would/will most likely make news and Los Angeles city is already frowning upon these events.


"have great respect for the dj's who performed there." Can you explain to me why people who were wearing furry boots and kandi started flipping SebastiAn off and cursing at him because he wouldn't make the drop? May be you can explain to me how those beads and those boots promote "unity and respect" you so much implied in your comment? May be even the term "PLUR" they so overly use on these forums. I mean after all they are there for PLUR and to have a good time like every one else, right?

May be you can find the flaw in your second paragraph, which states: "In today's society where music is dominated by auto-tunes and hiphop beats, surprisingly many people have little to no respect to the musical genre of EDM, and the fact that so many people united together for a common interest for a genre that is very oftentimes looked down upon is marvelous accomplishment itself that we all should be proud of."

Simple answer to your last paragraph, by following the events set rules. That's how we can all keep on enjoying these events.

Can you "enlighten" I?

@KcNekro

lol make sure to stress that it's imperative that he does so if he cares at all about the rapid dwindling numbers of furry boots and back rubs in modern America.

@Onik

LAWL

"Hey, I'm a chem major former kandi kid who is gonna make a shit load of cash even though I'm probably gonna grow up to be unhappy."

The ratio of kandi kid to HARD kid was like 15:1 at the fest. Where did I come up with that number? Idk. But I know I saw more people dancing around than giving/getting light shows and whatnot.

And fyi, YES I did ask them to move. You know what they said?

"I'm waiting for the BBR"

DURING FUCKING DIPLO.

So fuck kandi kids.

"Oh, we're just trying to escape the problems in our life! Let us do our thing!"

Fine. Do it in the back with the rest of yr crew.

I got tired after dancing for like 4 hours. You know what I did? I didn't sit down in the middle of the dancefloor. I went to take a seat in the back. Sure, I wasn't gonna get as good a spot for BBR, but it's dancefloor etiquette.

And those articles are bullshit. Try having a drink everyday for a week and then try taking a pill everyday for a week. Tell me which one is better after that.

And heroin? Really? Most addictive drug ever. Gtfo.

oh btw kiddos, this is a true rave.

Im trying to watch a live performance, but then you have these idiots in the middle of the dance floor asking people if they want a light show. Get the fuck out of my face with your stupid shit.

@MakeMeAMember

In regards to RAVERS.. i believe the board is talking about the younger immature raver crowd that are so caught up in the scene that they dont really have a footing underneath them when it comes to understanding what it really meant to be a raver.

See, maybe in the early to mid 90's being a RAVER was about being together and true PLUR... but that stuff is not alive anymore today. It might exist in a very minimal group of people today but the majority dont have a clue.

I think its fun to be able to dress up and go dance and have fun, i dont think there is anything wrong with that.. But the maturity level has fallen so much that it makes me gag. Its like all the stuff with the gate hopping and people pushing each other and rushing gates... I see people littering and tagging all over everything..

You speak about respect but its not respect... their love for the music and the people that produce it is nothing more than just keeping up into the "Scene"

They dont have any real respect for the talent that went into someones tracks... nor do they care and it goes for the venues and promoters... Like the tagging and destryoing of property.

This is why there is now an +18 rule... to try and raise the bar when it comes to the people that can handle being in this kind of enviornment..

Again i know there are always the people that do respect the rules and arent douchebags and for them i feel sorry... Sorry that they have to suffer because of the majority.

But its that disrespectful majority including some on this board that fight so hard to label stuff when they dont even know what the hell they are talking about. This whole RAVE discussion is a toss...