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Spent hours on my beads, cuffs and everything. In the trash.
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No but I saw people gettings sticks and whatnot taken away at the search thing.
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There was nothing on the sign about bracelets. The guy that took them from me said "Sorry, no toys."
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LOL fucking beads, theyre a choking hazard for people who roll.
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Because I was unhappy about spending multiple hours, even days making bracelets to give away at the last rave I'll be able to go to until I'm 18.
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My friend isn't a ptot or kandi kid, but he only wears the ones he makes for every rave with their names on it much like a memory bead. But he had to throw his away because our ride was just too far to walk back and we wanted to get inside badly >.<
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but it wasn't a rave, there were live bands like soulwax and crystal castles. Well, may be if you would of read what Gary was posting it would of popped into your mind, may be it's not such a great idea to bring kandi to HARD Summer and plus not to mention all the prohibit items.
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any guy that spends hours making bead bracelets should hand over their man card.
Id understand if you had bracelets made from teeth or bullet casings to remind you of a savage war you fought in mongolia, but seriously, rainbow colored beads you buy at michaels arts and crafts store, those things should be thrown away and melted down to make swatch watches. -
am I the only one that gets a kick out of @I_SNORT_COCAINE?
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lmao @I_SNORT_COCAINE
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A few beaded things would be fine but honestly the full sleeves and stuff like that is pretty ridiculous.. At least for HARD.
The beaded stuff originated because it was cool to look at it when on drugs so thats why although many say its harmless its what it stands for that is in question.
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I usually make kandi for my close friends. I personalized one and gave it to my friend at EDC because it was her first rave. Kandi for me is usually just a way to remember the great night I had. I got a few from random people for giving light shows, but I don't go around passing them out to anyone. And I certainly don't wear sleeves. 3-4 on each wrist, tops.
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I had one on, and the lady made me throw it away.
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haha dude above me your fuckin funny
alright filppensweetjosh you sound kind of like a flippen douche but whatever.
i dont think its that big of a deal that they made people throw braclets away but then again i was smart enough to ask a security guard what we can bring in so i took mine back to the hotel. ya arms full of braclets is pretty damn rediculous. i wear my small amount of beads bc im a girl and i think dressing up in cute stupid ass little girl stuff is fun so whatevs i think people dress up weird at raves bc its the only place that its ok for everyone to be weirdos. still though hard should have mentioned on the signs or emails that no beaded items were allowed and no beads are not toys! but either way im just thankful that after all the shit that went down at edc the city of la even let us have another rave. so stop bitching about the plastic beads and 18 and over age requirments and just be glade the events didnt get shut down for good! -
Yo @BreeP I'm glad you dig my humor
But just so you know every time people call hard a rave it's a slap to destructo's face
even insomniac isn't really hardcore rave.
But yeah dressing up all wierd and out there is pretty fun. I used to dress in drag to events with my friend. But god dayumn doin that shit every weekend took forever lol. So I just wear whatever now.
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I'm just pointing out the flaw in your post, when you said Insomniac isn't really "hardcore" rave. What classifies as a "hardcore" rave?
When Pasquale threw events it actually did start underground, but now it is "massive" rave/festivals. I never said EDC @ The Colloseum and Fair Grounds was "underground" anywhere in my thread. -
@BreeP
Ah, I love these new kids that have just joined the scene and they think they know everything about events.
You would of been considered weird if it was back in the day but now you're just called a "kandi kid". What's so unique about wearing beads if you can improvise? I've seen loads of people wearing them, there's nothing unique about it any more.
Lol, the funniest part about your message is "stop bitchin"... don't be a hypocrite because by what I could pick out from your poorly constructed argument, that's what you were exactly doing.
No hate against you, I'm just responding to your post.
Have a nice day and welcome to the HARD forums.
P.s. I do want to let you know when I joined the scene (again) I did wear glow stick bracelets and necklaces. Just one time and after that I realized I didn't need those things to have fun, so I never wore em again. -
Damnit @Flippinsweetjosh, I said you mean no harm
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@KcNekro
So what ever happened between you and @just_a_pseudonym?
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@Flippinsweetjosh is not a douche, he is pretty flippin awesome! freakin haters.
but no, you dont have to have beads to enjoy yourself, thats all part of the rave subculture right there. its ridiculous to a lot of people but i like making little bracelets and stuff, giving them out to random people. i dont know, im kind of random kid though BUT @Breep ditto. im willing to sacrifice a couple plastic beads for a good ass time. -
Trust me, the bead thing originated from people wanting to be really colorful and make cool pretty things to look at while on a substance like E.
This is fact.
Today it might mean something different to a lot of people but honestly beeds are not required to have fun at a concert lol and as far as PLUR goes...
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@KcNekro do "hardcore raves" really even legally exist in America?
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Cool haha well I'll just forget that.
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So no more bringing anything into HARD events??
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@dubstepkillaaa
Explain to us why is it necessary for you or any one else to bring a backpack?
The only logical reason to have one is if you suffer from diabetes or health issue that requires you to have your medication with you. In most cases medication can be carried in a fanny pack.
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@Flippinsweetjosh
Not speaking for anyone else but when I went to EDC I brought a sackpack to hold water bottles and jackets/shirts for myself and 2 other friends. We got more water than we could hold so we didn't have to leave the stages and wait in line for more. But I was just being nice. That backpack got heavy as hell and will not be making an appearance at HHM. -
Whoa dude I was asking a question not asking for a pity party.
The only reason is convenience... I hold my wallet, keys, towel, water, and an extra shirt.
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@Nitsuj @dubstepkilla
Clearly stated on the rules no outside beverages. If they were allowed it would be a logical answer but since they are not, there's really no logical reason why you need a backpack inside an event that clearly states they are not allowed.
The term "empathize" can mean many things not just pity. Jeans or shorts have pockets on them, don't they? I mean unless they are there to decorate your pants (which in some cases they can be) like I stated before "there's really not much of a logical explanation (aside from the one I gave) on why you need a backpack at an event."
Plus, I really don't recommend for you to take your wallet with you at events. You run the risk of losing your wallet. Do what I do, leave everything at the hotel or home and just take your driver's license, cash or credit/debit card with you. You don't need anything else.
Don't get me wrong, I would take a back pack if I could for the same reasons. Being honest, you guys are breaking the set rules of the event and venue. Just because the security team these events hire do not enforce the set rules as much as the event would like, it doesn't mean you don't have to follow them.
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It may just be the gates that I've gone through but I've never had a problem bringing closed water into a HARD event...
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@Josh
I don't sneak water in, I was talking about water that I bought at the event. My 2 friends and I each bought 2, so there were 6 bottles total, it would've sucked to have had to carry those around all night. I do what you do too, about $20-$40 cash and my driver's license. I've never brought my wallet to an event. -
haha flippen sweet seems as though youve changed it to just josh, nice. dont mean to bag on you or anything but duuuuuuuude your such a DOWNER. its almost like youve been kicked in the nuts a few to many times. 2 words anti depressants.
although i agree you dont need any of these accesaries to have a good time. infact lets just all show up naked from now on ;D
KcNekro- so why does everyone get so offended when an event is called a rave. i mean that was the original name for it when it was under ground. shouldnt we use the term rave proudly now that we no longer have to have them underground?
and plur haha so true edc was the furthest thing from peacefulness.
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@BreeP
Main reason for the change, I figured my previous name might of been to long for people to type.
Don't mean to be an asshole but your typing makes me wonder how well your cognitive skills are developed. It's not being a downer it's being logical. Now you've contradicted yourself, at first you state you need beads to be "unique", which I still fail to understand how is it being unique if every one else is covered in them. But never the less, we came to an agreement, "accessories" are not necessary for an event or rave. Even though I do encourage you to wear something for HARD Haunted Mansion, it is Halloween after all, isn't it? :)
Word of advice: you will never be taken serious if you try to "small talk" people.
Anti-depressants can increase suicidal ideation, in which most cases leads to suicide, specially for people around my age. Then again, there's no point of me ingesting anti-depressants as I am not depressed, even if I was, medication is not the solution for depression. It's a fact that we all go through some sort of mild or serious depression in our lives. Normally during teen years, early adult hood, and late adult hood. You should do some research before you try to insult some one.
You can't call it a rave if it has live bands like Flying Lotus, Soulwax, Digitalism, Simian Mobile Disco, Crystal Castles, Underworld, and ect. Just because they implement synthesizers and other elements it doesn't technically make it EDM. -
After reading this whole thread I've come to the conclusion that trying to label these "raves", "events", whatever doesn't solve anything, it just produces stupid forum arguments. And despite what you think is stupid, immature, or a fad, people shouldn't be put down for what they wear, just let them be (I'm looking at you, @Josh). Yeah, it could be a phase, and yes, they may look back one day and wonder why they ever wore kandi, slutty clothes, etc. But at the same time it's what they're into now, just let them enjoy it, no need to get aggressive.
As much as I don't really see myself becoming a kandi kid (I have my own style, don't really commit to a single group of ravers), I don't look down on them or try to avoid them. I don't look down at anyone at raves. Some of the people on this forums are awesome and really helpful, but others seem like seeing a single piece of kandi or a light show ruins their night. I understand that you guys are supporting HARD's attempt to move away from the "rave" label, but that doesn't give you the right to try to ostracize certain sub-groups within the edm community. Despite what people are wearing, MOST of us are there for the music. So let's just get along and not pass judgment.
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@Nitsuj
No one is getting aggressive I'm just responding to the comment. On the other hand you do seem pretty irritated by what you posted, which is very ironic.
The problem is what is a "rave"? There are a couple of definitions for that term. But none have live bands or mc's in the definition.
Relax kiddo, don't get your ego hurt. My questions to you is; if every one is there for the music then why is there people posting threads about their beads and furry boots getting taken away, how to dress up? My point is how do you differrentiate from every one else, what makes you or them unique? Aren't they just dressing up like every on else?
If you can answer me those questions with a reasonable explination I would change my views.
I think what you're trying to say died a long time ago.
May be you're right it's time to adapt but the true spirit of EDM is some what dead. Every one who has been into electronica as long as I have might agree that EDM was a place for people to express themselves uniquely and dance together.
There were never any mosh pits or fence rushing or people getting into fights over stupid beads or people jacked up on X tripping on every one or people pushing and shoving just to get to see their dj perform. If people were really there for "the music" what I typed on top wouldn't be happening. -
@Josh
I decided to read a bit on the history of the rave, to make sure that what I'm saying isn't complete bullshit. Apparently, the term "rave" was used as early as the 60s and 70s, for bands like The Yardbirds, a live band (with Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck no less). Focusing strictly on EDM: that started in the 80s. Do you know how rampant the drug scene was in the 80s? Drugs have always been a part of the culture, whether you care to admit it or not. People "jacked up on X" is not a new development in the scene, drugs have been part of it since the very beginning.
Dressing up is part of the culture. Each music genre sprouts some sort of culture. Within this culture is the subcultures (think kandi kids, hipsters, kids who wear the gas masks haha). The dress at a rave has now become attached to the music itself. Why are people posting on these forums about getting stuff taken away? They were most likely caught off guard by HARD's security taking away items that have become a norm in rave culture.
When I first started reading the forums, I read the "how should I dress" threads and thought they were stupid. But then I started seeing some of the other user comments and I realized why these threads were started. Look at the criticism for certain styles that are thrown around on this board. You've almost singled them out, making it seem as though they're going to receive criticism at the event (which I hope is NEVER the case). I don't think it's right to be sending a "you're not welcome here" message to specific groups.
I don't understand why you're so adamant about not wanting to see these certain styles at a HARD event. This isn't YOUR scene, you're just another kid, another ticket sold. Maybe one day your personal ideals for the rave might become a reality, but for now, this is what we've got. I'm not a fan of the pushing and aggressiveness that inevitably happens at these events, but I'm not about to let it ruin my whole night.
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I do agree with you about drugs being part of EDM, then again they have been part of music as a whole for generations. Let me explain what I meant with “people on X tripping over every one”. What I was trying to imply was; there’s no respect for the fellow dancers on the floor now. Back in the day you had the people who rolled relaxing on the back and occasionally hit the dance floor, but this happened rarely and even if they did, those people normally just relaxed and danced along with every one else. Now you have every one tripping on X stumbling upon every one on the dance floor, pushing and shoving every one. Most of the time, from the many events and raves I’ve been to, are these so called “kandi kids”.
Ah, have to love Wikipedia; it’s just such a reliable and credible source. The only problem with your “research”, we are not in the 1960’s or 70’s. Never the less, like I’ve stated before “there are various definitions” in the current definition, no where does it state a “rave” involves live bands. Have you ever heard of some one attending a metal, jazz, progressive rock, alternative, indie, ska, grudge, country, R&B, hip hop, or a blues concert calling it a “rave”? It’s a very simple answer and you and I already know what it is. Unless you think other wise?
I never did state these events weren’t about dressing up. All we have now a days are trend followers; people who dress up the same and do the same things. There’s lack of creativity and diversity, which is what EDM was and is known for. Now it seems every one has just turned into a replica of one another.
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Main reason, why some people are so concerned about how to dress, they see people wearing all these colorful clothes and for and unknown reason it is implemented if they don’t follow this trend they will be out of place.They don’t know what exactly to wear. They need some sort of reassurance they are going to be wearing what has been set as proper, so they ask people on threads like this one. Guess why all these new comers wear beads and colorful shirts, they think it’s required or else you don’t fit in. If you think my statement is not true, then why are there all these retail stores selling colorful clothing with colorful designs or something EDM related?
**It’s real difficult to understand why people would attend an event that prohibits their beloved items and then post a rant thread about their precious beads or fur being thrown away. Those are the event’s rules and if you or these other people don’t agree with these set rules, you and they are most likely at the wrong event. There are other events and raves you/they can attend which allow beads and furry boots. Some food for thought.**
My “rave ideals” died 2 years ago. I’m pretty stoked about HARD Haunted Mansion 2010 being 18 years +, the set rules, and the line-up though.
Side note: You debating with me does defeat the whole purpose of your previous post though, if you didn’t notice. That’s very ironic of your part if you ask me. :p -
@Josh
I draw a fine line between a debate and an argument. I stand by what I said. Insults are one thing. Thoughtful discussion is another. It may seem that I'm annoyed with you but I'm not. I've actually gained quite a bit of respect for you, since before this discussion all of the posts I read from you gave me the vibe that you were just an elitist who was trying too hard.
Wikipedia is an extremely reliable source when it comes to pop culture, so unless you expected me to. Again, I stand by what I said. I'm not sure if you skimmed over that part but what I said was "focusing strictly on EDM" and continued on about that. I just wanted to let you know that the term "rave" was applicable long before EDM emerged.
I don't know anything about the rules situation for HARD Summer regarding kandi, whether or not they were on the ticket website. I know that the only way I heard there was no kandi allowed was from a post on these forums by someone who works the events. You can't possibly expect every attendee to be a forum member. I'm sure the person who started this thread joined after the fact to talk about the new rules.
If people know that the generic rave outfit includes colorful clothing and kandi, then why ask in the first place? There's clearly some difference with a HARD event that led them to ask what they should wear. A lot of the people asking what to wear never said this was their first rave, they said it was their first HARD event.
I've said before that HHM is going to be my first HARD event. I'm interested to see if this forum accurately portrays the event, or if its just the hardcore fans blowing things out of proportion. I still don't see a huge difference between a rave and a HARD event, and the only differences I expect to see are: less ptots and kandi, more hipsters. And I just realized that the whole live bands argument that differentiates HARD from a rave fails, Infected Mushroom has been at a ton of Insomniac events, most recently EDC 2010. -
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I enjoy exchanging point of views with fellow forum members with out resorting to foul language or attacking ones persona using foul and poor language.
I understand and agree EDM events were labeled as “raves” back in the 80’s and 90’s. My brother was part of that scene when I was 7 years of age, I’m not new to EDM. I do have to admit I never did attend to any of the events he was part of. I also am aware the term “rave” has been around for decades. What I was trying to point out on my previous post was; the current definition of “rave” does not imply live bands. Meaning HARD cannot be labeled as a “rave”.
You are right; it is used by today’s people. The only sad part about Wikipedia on the eyes of educated people, it is frowned upon. Main reason, it is written by people like you and I. Not to mention it can be a website were false information can be uploaded to make people believe it is credible. I remember when some one posted on Wikipedia pandas being from mars. I have to admit I’ve used Wikipedia before, but never to back up an argument. -
Before HARD Summer, many forums members were asking what items were going to be allowed at the event. Forum administrators (Yuki and Tom) were giving out advice on what is going to be allowed and what was not. Hardfest.com even sent out an e-letter notifying every one what was going to be allowed and what was not. Grove tickets I believe had a message on the bottom with the security note. There was even a notification on the HARD Summer 2010 page stating what was going to be allowed and what was not. I understand they didn’t go into much detail as much as people wanted to, but then again it’s their event. They can decide what goes in and what does not, that’s why Tom and Yuki were nice enough to warn people ahead about what was prohibited. Not to mention if people had Destructo or HARD on their social network, they would have had access to vital information about HARD Summer. If they would have accessed the forums earlier or even tried to e-mail HARD, they would have most likely received a response from them. How do I know this? I’ve sent emails and received a response from Nitrus employees before, not to mention Gary (Destructo) himself. I don’t think they have much of an excuse and I don’t feel pity for the people on this thread who had their beads taken away.
They are insecure of themselves, they saw it at EDC or any other event or raves (they do exists but HARD is not one) they have gone to, they just want to make sure that like they stated before “Don’t look out of place…”. I believe I addressed this on my previous post. I’ve always taken regular dark colored clothing, never once have I taken a colorful shirt and never have received any sort of criticism over what I was wearing. That’s why I advise people “to be themselves”. I do have to admit I am currently working on a project which involves LED lights. -
It’s a way of me showing my pride for being part of the HARD Street Team, you will see it once I’m completely done with it.
If people want to dress up, HARD Haunted Mansion is the ideal occasion for them.
Not to be a jerk, but you really have no idea what a real rave is. All these so called “raves” you see are “wanna be’s”. I will let you do some research and once you get more into this scene you will realize what a real rave is about.
I saw Infected at EDC, yea you’re right. I don’t understand how this is relevant to our discussion. Never stated EDC was a rave, it's no were near close to what a rave is. -
^I don't understand why you are all over HARD's nuts...
EDM and the rave scene go hand in hand. You don't see ravers at a rock concert or rap concert...SO if HARD is going to throw a "music' event like HARD summer, and they sign up ALL sorts of electronic artists, they should EXPECT that type of crowd. Why do you care so much whether or not people read the rules...ITS BEADS and LIGHTS. HARD shouldn't be restricting that shit in the first place.
You obviously think you know more about raves then whats actually true. Beads, lights, and all that other stuff has been in the scene since the underground. You keep pulling facts out of your ass about how new comers to the scene are influenced and "think" that wearing colorful beads and shirt is required, when that is clearly not the case.
If the majority is wearing colorful shit, who cares?
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@Nitsuj
This is the type of people who cannot develop a well structured sentence, not even a well structured argument as matter a fact. How can some one take a person like @jkilla serious? I find it to be comical and amusing.
@jkilla
Being born with three replicas of your 21st chromosome have impaired you from developing efficient reading skills? May be you should allow your neurons to finally be able to communicate with each other and read the above posts, before asking questions that have already been discussed and answered. -
@Josh
Thanks for explaining how the rules situation went down at HARD Summer, makes more sense now. My brother was also into the rave scene in the 90s, I think from 1997-1999, but he never really shared any experiences with me (obviously, I was 8 and he was probably rolling his face off at every event he went to), but he did share some music. First song I remember hearing was "The Launch" by DJ Jean. I personally got more interested in EDM in 2008, and my first rave was TAO 2009-2010, so ya, I haven't been in the scene that long.
Damn, this is such a subjective topic. You're the first person I've heard say that EDC wasn't a rave, why do you feel this way? I was there, and I understand that yes, there were some negative vibes (ESPECIALLY the aftermath with that girl's death), but I still had one of the best nights of my life with my friends, because to me, that's really all that mattered, I didn't give a shit what any of the other attendees were doing, although I will admit that seeing little 12-13 year old kids with mouth guards is something I don't ever want to see again. I don't understand, were raves back in the day completely good vibes? I just find it hard to believe that everyone was super friendly and there were no stupid kids overdosing, no fights, etc. I just remembered my brother recently told me that his car was broken into at Monster Massive during his rave years, they stole his entire CD collection (probably a couple thousand dollars worth of CDs) and stereo system, so there was clearly still some negative shit going on back then. The "rave" has certainly evolved (or devolved), but I don't think it has completely disappeared. I just think people like you who know what it was like back when it was (arguably) "better", or have even experienced a "good" rave are having a harder time transitioning to what it has become. -
@Nitsuj
I came back into the scene after my bro went to see Daft Punk at Coachella 2006 and a couple of other reasons. First rave I attended was MSTRKRFT at Mexico in 2007. MSTRKRFT will be playing at the same spot they played 3 years ago on October 30th. You'd be amazed what sets they throw at small events.
I don't consider any Insomniac events a "rave" any more. It might of been 8 years ago, but not any more.
"Raves" and events were much better back in the day. You just had people chilling, you never really heard of people fighting or rushing. Main reason, it never really did happen. All you saw was people having a good time. You actually got to see unique people dress up all freaky or artistically. People rolling would be in their own little world just dancing, some would even dance along with you. Of course there was people who over dosed.
We are talking about the events, not what happens at the parking lot. That can happen in any event or rave and it's not directly people from the event. Might be some crack heads walking by wanting some money for crack.
@DarkHorse
Been a while since I've listened to that tune. hahaha Man, good days, good days.
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so are you saying that the "raves" nowadays aren't raves because of the...tension? like the fights and rushing and shit like that? the unchillness if you will.
i don't really see much uniqueness nowadays. i mean, yeah, there's the fluffy boot wearers, there's the kandi, there's the lights, but like...if everyone's doing it, does it really make you unique?
just be yourself (no one can truly make the argument that the beads are a form of self-expression) and enjoy the music. if you're really troubled that you can't wear your beads, then maybe HARD isn't for you. it's that simple really. -
@Everyone That Does Not Get It...
Its very simple.. You guys need to learn how to correctly label events. You are using false stereotypes & generalization when calling any party a RAVE.
Frankly, your attempt at trying to compare something like HARD with to a party like EDC is very annoying and shows just how uneducated you really are... Not to say that its a bad thing. I mean, i have come to expect a certain level of ignorism as we all should.
I dont mind giving insight, as long as people are willing to listen. I say that because i can see the back and fourth arguments going on and i just want to say this:
Ever hear of "KISS" ???? It stands for "Keep it simple, stupid". I think some of you hare over thinking this argument so again let me help out.
You have to understand what a real RAVE was about to really be able to have a strong argument today as to why all events that have EDM would also be called a RAVE.
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Many people specualte what RAVE means but if you research the history of RAVEs you will see that they were nothing more than an underground party where people could get high and listen to crazy music and they had lights and weird art and stuff like that.
Even though there were many who attended and had fun a different way, the actual spirit of the party is what you have to take into persepctive.
I have attended many of these events years and years ago and people before me that have been doing it for years earlier will all tell you the same thing, as will i.
With that in mind its easy to see why parties like EDC would be called RAVEs... Many of the flyer parties today still have that same footing that the underground parties of the 90s and early 2000s had... Which is why many of them are in warehouses and small banquet centers on the outskirts of the city.
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Times have changed and the EDM sound/culture has too. With that being said you have to enlarge your perspective and views. For so long i have had to deal with these stupid stereotypes that people have placed on the EDM culture and i wish people would really learn more about it before they tried to comment.
Again, i understand that EDM is becoming more mainstream and with that we are getting lots of new people that really dont understand where it all came from. Many people attend massives for the first time and think they know everything lol.
Anyways, the thing with the beads and lights and all of that... i have already talked about it so much i dont feel like repeating myself but yea all of that stuff stems from what the original RAVEs were all about and although they are still used today its not an "EDM" thing as a whole so dont think just because you are going to an event that has some form of EDM that you can bring your lights, 10 pounds of beads, 3d glasses ect.
If you want to label massives and/or events like HARD... just call them concerts because thats what they are. Yes some like EDC provide the enviorment that would give it that "RAVE" effect but they are enjoyed by everyone differently now a days so you cant just slap the term RAVE all over it because thats not true among a lot of people.
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Here is an article from the Promoter of HARD:
“If this stuff gets pegged as rave, it’s the death of it, because it just equals kids and drugs,” the 39-year-old continues. “It’s like a four-letter word.” The rave element of electronic-music culture—“kids with pacifiers and Elmo hands,” as he describes them—has been problematic for Richards. He blames a lack of maturity, an overabundance of Ecstasy and underagers’ tendency to try to sneak into his shows for many of the problems he’s had with HARD, especially in L.A. “All I do is LAPD, LAFD, city hall. I just came back from city hall today,” he says with a chuckle.
His passion for underground electronic music grew well before the trends for Technicolor tights, glow sticks and furry boots took hold. A family in the music industry—his brother has managed both Mudvayne and Slipknot—got him hooked at an early age. “My dad started on the radio in the ’60s,” Richards says. “We saw Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Kiss. Then in the late ’80s, I started going to these warehouse parties in downtown L.A.”
As you can see, the term RAVE was just something that was slapped onto the scene at one point in time and now we have had to deal with it since.
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And even though HARD has some acts such as Deadmau5 and genres such as Electro house they also offer live acts with live instruments such as drums, guitar, synth ect. and there is a new indie sound thats growing and evolving.
In short, just because you like to enjoy something one way... and that way might be what you would consider the "RAVE" way does not make it a RAVE.
You cant generalize everything into one catigory anymore, the whole EDM scene has grown to big for that. I mean if we were to make such vague generalizations then you could go as far as saying any event rock, hip hop or other that features lights is a RAVE because they all have loud music, huge Visual setups and stage lights.
Some people like to bring what they think is the RAVE scene into todays parties but the problem is many of them now arent about that and with respects to the rules of these promoters (no lights, beads ect) you have to obey.
Frankly its selfish of you to try and change that because your basically putting yourself before others, the promoters, artists and people attending that all share the same view.
Respect the wishes & rules of the promoters. They have enough to deal with getting something like this off the ground anyways... believe me you have no idea.
If you want the "RAVE" experience, then go find a party that offers it but please have some respect and dont try to bring it to every party you attend.
Isnt that the PLUR way anyways?
Thanks for reading and honestly guys i am not trying to offend anyone so dont feel that way, just sharing perspective from many years of lived experience. -
just have to say isn't a rave/concert in the end, all just another experience we can remember and call our own, why even be afraid of being slapped a label on it?
i say dont care what society thinks and dont let the man hold u down! lol but
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@darkhorse u have to remember sometimes the littlest things can mean so much to someone so yes beads, necklaces, and even a pinky ring lol can matter that much things like this give our individual uniqueness, even if everyone is doing it
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sorry one more @josh went to hard summer ur not gonna say it was a concert when you have skream,benga and major lazer in one place cuz it was banging. If u dont want it a concert them take down all the special effects and lights so u dont give it a "rave" persona
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@kcnekro right? see, ppl cant seem to understand the concept of a massive and how there trying to bring down the ppl that attend why would u push away ppl who want to enjoy and pay for an event your throwing..... business 101
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@Slim_Slender There's really no point reviving a topic that has already been covered and discussed. Read the many posts on here you will find a response.
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As far as lights go, you'd be amazed how real raves have hardly any light shows or visuals at all. Guess why people take their own lights.
Events do how ever have massive visuals and amazing light shows.
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